ETX-125EC USER FEEDBACK
This page is for user comments and information specific to the Meade ETX-125EC. Comments on accessories and feedback items appropriate to other ETX models are posted on other pages. If you have any comments, suggestions, questions or answers to questions posed here, e-mail them to me and I'll post them. Please use an appropriate Subject Line on your message. Thanks.
Subject: Meade ETX 125EC case Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:20:11 From: Sgauger@aol.com Thanks for this site! I would like to request user recommendations for a good quality foamlined hard case for my ETX 125. I have read the many posts under products, but most cases listed are for 90s. Does anyone know if a Doskocil Seal Tight type is available that would fit the 125 scope and accessories. I don't like what I've read about the Meade factory case. Thank you ! Art
Subject: New Eyepieces Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 16:10:40 From: WGilb25896@aol.com Greetings from southern Ca. I have had my ETX 125 for about a month and a half, and for the most part I'm quite satisfied with my purchase. I did recently purchase two new eyepieces, one being a teleview/Nagler 7MM ultra wide angle, and the other a teleview/Nagler 9MM ultrawide angle with the 2" and 1" barrel. Issue: I was looking a Saturn and Jupiter the other morning and I did get great views, but it was difficult to get a sharp focus. I added a Meade electronic focuser to aid in the rather "hyperactive" manual focusing experience and have had moderate success, plus I have gone through a ton of 9 volt batteries!!!!. Question, is it me, the scope, the eyepieces, or the atmospheric conditions that are causing this problem? Any advice you can offer would greatly appreciated. Thanks Bill Gilbert, Corona Ca. email@example.comMike here: I was viewing Jupiter and Saturn about a week ago from my home on the Palos Verdes Penisula; seeing was not that good. Both were fairly low in the sky. But whether that was the problem you were experiencing or something else, hard to say. Did you try any stars higher in the sky?
Now that you mentioned it, I did, and the view was really just fine. I am starting to think that the upper atmosphere could be the culprit here, but since I'm a novice I can't be sure. By the way, what is your opinion of the performance characteristics of these eyepieces I just purchased? According to the literature I have been reading these eyepieces are among the best. Also, I am using the 9MM nagler with the Meade 45 degree erecting prism at the rear of the scope, could the loss of light effect the ability to focus these planets? Thanks for your timely response, and I hope to speaking with you in the future. Bill.Mike here: Actually, it is the lower atmosphere causing the seeing problems. That is why professional observatories are on mountain tops. I have no personal experience with those eyepieces so I'll let others respond to that after I post your inquiry on the next site update. Adding any extra optics to the light path can cause some deterioration in the view but I doubt that the 45 degree erecting prism was the cause of the blurred view you saw on the planets.
Subject: Updates to your Section... Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:22:00 From: MFRiesco@directvgla.com (Riesco, Michael F) Just curious -- are you planning to continue adding updates to the section on your personal experiences with the ETX-125? The last update (where you had the Autostar problem) was back on 4/3/00, and there hasn't been an update since -- I find your personal observations very insightful, and so I'm wondering if you have any further installments/updates planned... Thanks!! Mike Riesco.Mike here: Thanks for asking. I should do that; just been too busy. I finally updated the Autostar from a beta of 2.0 to 2.0h; update went OK. I'm hopeful that it will fix some not-so random slewing problems I started having on my last outing with the -125. Haven't had a chance to try it out yet.
Subject: Home position for ETX-125 Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 14:39:14 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Gary Giddings) At the end of your http://www.weasner.com/etx/autostar/as_home.html you describe the ETX-125 home position as is "described" in the ETX manual and the tripod manual. This gives the (approx) 3/8 CCW turn of the base before hitting the fully CCW hard stop, just as you describe. However ... I just got a new 125 and in the box is a one-page "Addendum" to the ETX manual, for ETX-125 mounting to the (delux) tripod. It says, basically, to mount the control panel on the EAST side, not the West. ... it actually describes and shows the two table-leg screw-in hole plugs (side of bottom case) to be oriented to the SOUTH, not to the NORTH. This then gives approx 7/8 CCW turn of the base before hitting the fully CCW hard stop. Which is right? Thanks, Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary Giddings, Ph.D.Mike here: Some users have reported success with the control panel on the east side. I had it on the west side with both the ETX-90EC and ETX-125EC with good results. As to the tabletop tripod legs, if they are shown on the South side, that sounds like a Southern Hemisphere setup.
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Subject: info on the etx-125 Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 22:24:45 From: email@example.com (Chad Morgan) i am in the market for a used 125 but i cannot find any for sale on the internet........can you help? are here any sites that you know of that may sell used ones (or new ones at a good price) other than ebay or similiar? your help would be very apprectiated.......you seem to know quite a bit about meade telescopes and i am an interested beginner. thanks! scott please email me back at firstname.lastname@example.orgMike here: Check the dealers shown on the Astronomy Links page.
Subject: discounting ETX-125 Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 13:22:42 From: Ian_Keith@hud.gov (Ian Keith) Joe Neiheisel asked about discounts. p. 123 of the October S&T has Shutan discounting the ETX-125. Don't know if there's a catch but it's worth a phone call. Ian
Subject: Etx 125 tracking problem Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 15:15:54 From: email@example.com (Antivol) I am really happy with my Etx125EC. It performs better than what I expected. Positionning is nearly perfect and tracking too but I still have a small problem : After it finds an object, the telescope slowly drifts to the left leaving the object on the right side (seen in the eyepiece) and even sometimes out of vue. When I adjust it, the object stays in the middle only for a few seconds and then, as if somebody was pulling it, the telescope goes again the the left. ( at least it seems to) I have tried again an again thinking about a motor warming time but without result. Then, I tried to put the object on the extreme left. No results ! Finally after tests and tests and tests again, I have find a procedure which works : I press the left arrow until the object is a bit left of the center and then I press the right arrow to center it. After doing this, the telescope tracks is just perfect. In other words, I must use the right arrow last otherwise the Etx will present the problem described above. I deduct from this there is a "dead zone" in the left-right travel and this is probably the problem source. I think the telescope is just a bit late on the earth movement probably due to the time it takes to recover this "dead zone". Do you ever read something about this ? Is it a way to suppress this "dead zone" ? I have of course made all the motor trainings and so on... Best regards, Michel (Mons-Belgium)Mike here: This sounds like gear "backlash" and is normal. Depending upon how the Autostar moves the ETX to approach the object you may have to remove the backlash yourself. If you don't have Autostar version 2.0i you might want to get it.
Subject: Using a digital camera with an ETX-125? Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:17:54 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Rob Moore) I've enjoyed your site now that I've found it. I just got my ETX-125 and I think it's working properly but I 'll do some more tests tonight as I continue to get more familiar with it. One question that I do have is regarding astrophotography with it using an Olympus C2000X camera. This camera has a fixed-in-place zoom lens but does have 47mm threads (I think) for accessories. What would be the best way to adapt this camera to the ETX-125? Is there any adapter that allows you to use the t-mnount adapter with it? Thanks, RobMike here: Check out the Accessories - Astrophotography page; certainly the Scopetronix Digital Camera Adapter should work.
Subject: Q about the ETX Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 07:58:43 From: email@example.com (Joe Neiheisel) I am looking into buying an ETX-125 and was wondering if you could tell me the best place with the best prices to purchase/order mine from. Please email me any information you can. Thanks. Sincerely, Joe NeiheiselMike here: Discounting on the ETX line is rare (except for store sales). If you have a local dealer, use them. Otherwise, check out some of the dealers listed on the Astronomy Links page on my ETX site. Many are excellent.
Subject: ETX-125EC Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 07:30:37 From: Charles Would you recommend the Meade ETX-125 telescope? I am in the market for my second scope. I have a 3'' refractor and wanted to step up. After reading the comments and questions on your site, I am not sure that this is the right instrument. I get the sense that Meade has a high failure rate and that the Autostar computer leaves a lot to be desired. Also it seems as if the parts are not of the best quality. Is this an accurate reflection of the opinions? Thanks CharlesMike here: Certainly there is a lot to like about the ETX line. Certainly there are some things we all wish were better. That is true of most anything in this world. Meade made some cost/design tradeoffs. There are more expensive and better solutions out there (the LX200 series for example). If the ETX line does not meet your requirements, then it is the wrong telescope for you. On the other hand, with its excellent optics, GOTO capability, and comparatively low price, an ETX is the perfect (or near perfect) solution for others. If you are nervous from what you read, three points: a) Users with negative comments will usually air those while users with positive comments tend to not air those. b) This web site provides insight into only a small portion of the ETX telescope user base worldwide. c) Check out alternatives; they may have their issues as well. Good luck with your decision.
Subject: ETX-125 Drive parts Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 08:17:06 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Tom Mayo) Hello, I recently purchased a Meade ETX-125 scope and somehow damaged the drive mechanism. I may have tightened the Alt-Azimuth (up-down) portion too tight. Anyway, after inspecting it, I discovered a small Plastic Spur-Pinion gear was stripped inside (24 teeth and 8 teeth on the pinion hub portion). Is there anywhere the I could obtain this small gear from or possibly purchasing the motorized assembly portion that houses the gears? Thank you for your assistance. Tom Mayo email: email@example.com
Subject: RE: RE: ETX-125EC Foam Packing Blocks Question!! Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 06:44:44 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Rossi, Peter (Peter)) Mike: Thank you very much for your answers to my questions. Thanks for taking the time to help me. It is nice to know that as I am in the process of learning my new ETX-125EC - I am not out here alone. Peter Rossi
Subject: ETX 125 problems Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 21:46:21 From: joseph@CollectItNow.com (Joseph) I was surprised to find your site and truly enjoy all of the work that you've put into it. I am a new ETX 125 owner, but unfortunately having problems setting up the scope. In the hopes that you have any interest or are willing to help, I enclose the following information. Thanks ahead of time for your kindness for any assistance. I've been trying to use Polar alignment and have been trying to set up the telescope using the manual and haven't had much luck. I'm using the Deluxe Field Tripod, and being in Los Angeles have it set to 34 degrees inclination. I've found the manual extremely confusing and I have looked at your document on Polar alignment, but unfortunately I'm still confused. I've called Meade, but they said that they don't even use Polar mode they only use Alt Az as that works as well and tracks as accurately. I was surprised to hear this as I thought the whole purpose of Polar Alignment was to track via Sidereal which would give a much more accurate tracking of objects in space. Here's what I've tried to do to set up with Polar Alignment: Using a trained drive with the eyepieces aligned, I 1) Set the tripod leg marked North point North (compass and Polaris used for North). 2) Unlocked the horizontal lock mechanism and rotated the scope counterclockwise till it hit the stop. 3) Rotated the base of the scope such that the side tube lines up with the electronic controller. 4) Rotated the scope upward such that Polaris was centered in the viewfinder. 5) Align the telescope with the Easy Polar alignment process (2 star) This part all seems to work and I get a successful alignment according to the AutoStar. Here's the problem: If I use the Guided Tour and select any object (even the easily viewable moon) I am not aligned and have to rotate the scope using the keypad to the object (about 30 degrees left and 15 degrees up). The problem is that, yes the moon looks fine after moving to it, but then any other object, especially a small star is just as misaligned as the moon was, and thus you have no idea of which star you are supposed to be seeing. Sometimes I will even choose an object and it will appear, according to the position of the scope below horizon! Anyway, this is all very frustrating and I'm wondering if I should return the scope and call it a day which would be ashamed. Thanks for any insight and your time. JosephMike here: First off, using Alt/Az mode with the Autostar will provide accurate tracking so unless you absolutely need to use Polar mode (for long duration astrophotography, for example) then I would recommend you use Alt/Az. Second, weight distribution is better when in Alt/Az mode, so the tripod will be more stable. Third, you didn't indicate which version of the Autostar software you are using. Version 2.0i is the current one on Meade's web site. Some other items that can affect the results: incorrect day, time, and location settings. Also, in Polar mode remember that Polaris is about a degree off of exactly 90 degrees. So, it is easy to be on the wrong side the sky when aligning on it. Hope this helps.
Thank you very much for your information. I've been using my ETX 125 in Alt Az now and it still seems that I can't see too many objects, especially planets and it doesn't seem particularly good on lining up on objects. I'm currently thinking about returning the scope and getting an 8" LX 200, but I understand that Meade may soon be coming out with a new model which is less expensive and even better than the 200. Thanks for your time, Joseph
Subject: ETX-125EC Foam Packing Blocks Question!! Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 13:12:09 From: email@example.com (Peter Rossi) Your web site is FANTASTIC. Keep up the great work you are doing!!! The ETX-125EC comes packed in the original box with two white foam packing blocks wedged between the base and the bottom of the optic tube. Is it necessary to replace these foam wedges every time I store the scope in the Meade hard case designed for the ETX-125EC?? How about before transporting the scope in the car?? Once again, Thanks for your help: Peter RossiMike here: Meade recommends that you do place the foam blocks back in place when the telescope is to be carried (and possibly bounced around) in a case.
Thanks for your very prompt response!! Are there any other precautions that should be taken before packing the ETX-125EC into the Meade Hard Case?? I make sure the DEC and RA locks are released. Is there anything else that needs to be done?? Thanks again for your very helpful advice.Mike here: Watch out for the finderscope or you may have to realign it. Also, be certain the eyepiece hole cover is inplace to avoid any debris inside the case (foam, plastic, whatever) getting inside the ETX OTA.
Subject: Focus Shaft Fix Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:37:56 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Ron Silver) Hi Kevin, and Mike: I read with interest your article in Weasner's ETX Technical-Tips about fixing the focus shaft, but I was a little confused about what problem it actually fixes. I assume that it is replacing the focus shaft back into the mirror block because it had come completely disconnected! Can this disconnect occur in normal usage? (How?) Also, I am experiencing more backlash than I like in the focus shaft (I have an ETX125) and would appreciate your thoughts about how to reduce the focus-backlash. Thanks to Kevin for the important info, and to Mike for the excellent site. RonMike here: The focus shaft can fall inside the OTA if you turn it so far so that it retracts all the way in. Obviously this is not something that can normally happen as long as the focus knob is properly attached.
Thanks for the info Mike. As for the focus 'play' on my ETX125, I notice that with my scope aimed upwards, there seems to be some play (histerysis). With the scope aimed horizontally, there seems to be NO play. Could it be that the spring that presses against the mirror assembly is fine in the horizontal position, but does not exert enough pressure on the mirror in the elevated position? Perhaps "stretching" the spring slightly can reduce/eliminate the condition. Ron SilverMike here: The focus shift as the ETX is moved from horizontal to vertical and back has been reported before. Sometimes I really have to look to notice it. If I focused with the telescope about 45 degrees, I usually don't even notice it needs refocusing. Different scopes seem to experience different amounts and maybe it does change over time or with other factors.
I've never noticed it visually but I have noticed it on my ETX90 when used as a guide scope.
Subject: etx 125 ec Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 23:33:09 From: email@example.com (Mike Field) I wonder if you can help me, I recently acquired the above scope and have yet to set it up being a little intimidated and confused. All that I have read on the web, and my instruction booklet appears to be geared for the northern hemisphere. I have the autostar and a field tripod and reading the instructions for the tripod it refers to first switching to the appropriate hemisphere on the etx-I can not find a switch on the etx 125 to switch over? Is that applicable perhaps only to the etx 90. As you have probably guessed I am completely new to astronomy,I am in the process of joining a club and hopefully will obtain assistance in starting out. I apologise if I should not be addressing this to you but to a chat forum but wasn't sure how to go about it. Many tks Mike Field Cape Town South Africa.Mike here: The ETX-125EC describes the procedure to set the hemisphere of operation under the Electronic Controller chapter. You remove the appropriate screw from the handcontroller. When using the Autostar, be certain to set your proper location.
Subject: Re: ETX125 problems (Motor Failures) Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 18:45:09 From: Ibowski@netscape.net (Rainer Ibowski) The new scope did not work either. I spent three hours together with the dealer to test his ETX125 on stock. Result: All show the same failure if controlled by my Autostar. Unfortunately, there was no new Autostar available (backorder) to verify our conclusion that the Autostar is defect. Uploading the new software version 2.1 failed, too. Error messages either [very old software version; update not possible] or [You need an Autostar for upgrade]. I am out for vacation for the next two weeks. Hopefully, the new Autostar is available when I am back. Keep you posted. Rainer Oakville, Ontario, Canada
Subject: etx photo-view reducer Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 07:49:16 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (suliman rajhi) Could I find photo-view reducer for my etx-125? If I could, please give information. Thanks.Mike here: A similar item is the "Shutan Wide-Field Adapter" (see the Accessories - Showcase Products page).
Subject: ? re: equipment / cases Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 19:13:42 From: email@example.com (Scott Powell) saw a new posting on the Doskocil cases that people are using to transport their ETXs in. Have two comments - first, when on the b&h site (www.bhphotovideo.com), the easiest way to find the product is to do a search (in the sites search engine) on this product code: DOCSTFXLB Took me quite a while to find, this should speed things up. Also, could you please post this question - is anyone using this for an ETX-125? Also, is it a "legal" size to go on airplanes? Thanks, Scott
Subject: Focus Problems!! Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2000 08:08:16 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Peter Rossi) I think your web site is great and is doing a fantastic job keeping all of us ETX users informed. Thank You for your efforts, they are appreciated!! I purchased a new Meade ETX-125EC Telescope a couple of weeks ago. I am having a problem with the focus knob. At times, it feels like the shaft is turning but it is not doing anything. I have to pull the knob back and turn it to engage the threads again. I get the impression that the normal operation of the focus is to have the shaft move in and out of the scope when turned. Is this correct?? Is the focus mechanism really that delicate that I have to worry about it not working?? Does anyone out there have a diagram for the focus hardware on a ETX-125EC?? Thank You for listening!!! Keep up the good work.Mike here: See "Doc Greiner's ETX Info site" (linked from the Technical Tips page). The scope is a -90 but the mechanism is the same for the -125. The page shows photos of a disassembled ETX-90. The focus shaft does move a little bit (which is why some users have to reposition the knob to allow more travel with some eyepieces).
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!! You are most helpful. I will check out that site.
Subject: re: ETX125 problems Sent: Monday, August 7, 2000 21:18:12 From: email@example.com (richard seymour) To: firstname.lastname@example.org Rainer, When you're trying to use the Autostar, do -both- axes move during alignment? If not, that is what the MOTOR FAULT message is trying to tell you. You can -avoid- the alignment steps by using the [mode] key to escape from that part of the menu. Then try using the Autostar's big arrows to move (slew) your ETX. If they cannot -all- move the scope, you have a problem and should visit your dealer or contact Meade. If the slew -does- work, then hold the [mode] key down for 3 seconds and release. If you do not have a focus unit, you should now be seeing the RA/Dec display. Push the "scroll down" key (lower right corner of autostar) once, and you should see the Alt/Az readout. Now try slewing the ETX a few degrees in each direction. The Alt/Az display should report your motions. If it doesn't, then the read-back encoders may not be working. If so, contact Meade. These tests should be done in -Alt/Az- mounting, not Polar. (the Alt/Az readout doesn't work correctly in Polar) I wish you luck with this. --dickAnd a response:
Dick, I tried your suggestions. Nothing worked. So I took the ETX125 back to the dealer. He immediately exchanged the scope. So I got a new one which I could not test up to now due to lack of time. The dealer (Eftonscience in Toronto)mentioned that this is the second time this year that he had to replace an ETX 125 with these failures. Let me add a compliment. I was quite impressed how fast I got an answer after I placed my e-mail on Sunday night. This is a service the manufacturers should use as a benchmark. Thank you! Rainer Oakville, Ontario, Canada
Subject: Frequent Motor Unit Faults Sent: Monday, August 7, 2000 16:57:32 From: email@example.com (Rainer Ibowski) After getting accustomed to manual operation of my new ETX125 during the last couple of weeks I recently started to operate the scope with the Autostar. Unfortunately, I ran into serious problems. When aligning, the unit stops after about ten degrees with the error message "motor unit fault --- press mode or ? ". "?" does not work; "mode" asks for an additional "enter". After "enter" the scope starts slewing again about ten degrees, stops and produces the same error message, and so forth. Needless to say that I tried all kind of measures: full reset, careful training of the drives etc. Do you have any idea what I am doing wrong? Any advice? RainerMike here: Training the drives is important but you've done that. Are you putting the scope into the proper HOME position before doing the alignment? Is the RA and DEC axis locked? What version of the Autostar software are you using? The latest is 2.0i on Meade's web site.
Subject: RA Drive Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2000 18:08:34 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Rick Weiss) Love the site! I had an ETX90EC for a month and then upgraded it to the ETX125EC. My question to you is this. Has anyone complained about any play in the RA drive motor on their 125? It works well enough until you change direction. Once a direction change is made, it takes a moment or two for the motor to get past the play and begin moving in the new direction. This problem gets worst at slower speeds probably because of the amount of play that is being overcome. Is this normal? Should I consider returning the scope for a replacement? I remember reading a review detailing this problem, but it never addressed whether this was normal or not. My ETX90EC never experienced this sort of problem. RickMike here: The symptom you are describing is called "backlash" and is normal in the ETX models as the gears pickup the slack. If the last movement is eastward, you can remove the slack in the geartrain and tracking will begin immediately when you release the button.
Thou a bit disappointed with the normal-ness of this problem I am very pleased with my ETX125. This evening I ordered a few accessories from Scopetronix. Thanks again for the assist and the terrific site for myself and other ETX owners.
Subject: Re: Meade ETX-125EC Slewing Problem - Cont. Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 22:20:04 From: email@example.com (Art Freeman) Earlier today, I faxed Meade Customer Service Rep., Mike Leigh a letter and sales receipt for the Meade ETX-125EC to prove proof of purchase in order to obtain an RMA number to return the scope for "REPAIR", on his request. Later, I e-mailled Michael Webb, owner of the Sight & Sound shop in Tennessee where I originally purchased the ETX-125EC and asked if he would be willing to negotiate a replacement scope. The following is his reply, and I have taken him up on his offer to replace the telescope with a newer one when his next shipment comes in and will forget Meade Instruments. In other words, I will be taking the cowards way out.Mike here: Many dealers are willing to swap. Glad to hear yours is.
Subject: Re: Meade ETX-125EC Slewing Problem - Cont. Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2000 08:27:24 From: firstname.lastname@example.org (richard seymour) Art, > In other words, I will be taking the cowards way out. nah... you're still in the game... As I see it, you've got three (well, 4) options: 1) let your scope get turned around by Meade... at least (theoretically) it'll get some particular care (after all, it's such a -rare- situation) (we need an emoticon for dripping sarcasm :-P ) 2) swap the scope with the vendor (roll-the-dice-again approach) 3) swap the scope for a Nexstar 5 (and join a different Email universe) 4) give up and take up model railroading (you still get to use optics to look at tiny things) (i'll stop here... there's #5: buy a Dobsonian... make that two, for the price... or a used C5+)(or C8) See? options 1 and 2 are still demonstrating bravery (or, um, determination ignoring warning signs?) 3 and 4 are the coward's way... Despite some folks' experience of getting to know their UPS driver -very- well, I'd probably elect #1 or #3... #1 on the theory that Meade has -some- corporate integrity, and that (Eventually) they'll get it right. #3 on the theory that it's a turkey, and that although the Nexstar will have a different set of problems, at least they'll be ones you can live with (this avenue requires the Due Diligence of reading all of the N5's back postings (visit http://www.nexstar5.co.uk/links.htm for a Mike-like links page). *i* have not done Due Diligence, so i'll remain with my ETX90 (waiting for the fateful day when the Dec axis shears) good luck with the next one! keep us posted --dick p.s. the "last email" he referred to was a culling of the postings of (by my count) 20 visitors to your site who had also had the random slew (sometimes in your Search as "runaway") and had been in contact with Meade.
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