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Last updated: 26 June 2002
This page is for user comments and information specific to the new Meade ETX-105EC. Comments on accessories and feedback items appropriate to other ETX models are posted on other pages. If you have any comments, suggestions, questions or answers to questions posed here, e-mail them to me and I'll post them. Please use an appropriate Subject Line on your message. Thanks.


Subject:	Deep Sky and ETX 105
Sent:	Monday, June 24, 2002 20:52:03
From:	javiram17@hotmail.com (javier Ramos)
I am a recent owner of a Meade ETX-105 EC.

The experience of buying it through Discovery Channel Store was
painful... 4 changes, from the DS models, to 2 different ETX 105. The
motor was not working, the shortcircuit in the EC, etc. etc. And many
excuses and lies, to "sweeten" the deal. Even when they never refused to
change it, and express their best intention to make my "Discovery"
experience satisfactory. They finally told me that they had so many
problems with the DS and ETX telescopes (Should I call the DS 2114 a
telescope?), that they recommended Discovery not to carry these lines
any longer. No surprise they are getting rid of the conflictive models.

Enough about venting...

I am impressed with the Sun and Moon through my ETX 105 EC. However, my
experience with deep sky objects have not been  so fortunate. I tried
for Trifid, Ring nebulae, with no luck. I could not see anything. Then,
on Starry Night software, I set up the Moon as I see it, result: 45
minutes angle. I looked at Andromeda, and it looked huge even at 2
degrees of Zoom In !!!

I waited until 2 AM to see Andromeda in the real sky. And then...
nothing. Just a point in the sky. The identifier from the EC told me
that what I was seeing was actually M32, which is in the middle of M31.
But no sign of M31.

I am almost completely illeterate about how to see these objects. Am I
supposed to use less magnification (9.7 Super Plossl 4000)? Am I
supposed to wait until my eye gets used to darkness and some gas nebulae
or galaxy becomes visible? Am I supposed to buy a CCD?.

Is there anything similar to those wonderful pictures from Andromeda
that I will be able to see through my ETX 105?

Javier
Mike here: Regarding your viewing of deep sky objects (or faint fuzzy blobs, as I call them), yes, you do need to get your eyes fully dark-adapted. But you also need to realize that your eye will not see these objects like the photographs. M31 in Andromeda will appear large but with most telescopes, all you are seeing is the nucleus area. M57 is indeed very visible and will show a "smoke ring" like object. Read through the User Observations to get a flavor of what you can do with the ETX.

And:

Thank you for your prompt response. I will keep on working on my
observations. I might take the telescope to some location with less ligh
polution.

By the way, great web site. Thanks for taking the time to help everybody
reach the sky... even the deep sky.

Regards,

Javier.

Subject:	stop points on vertical lock. Is this normal?
Sent:	Saturday, June 22, 2002 18:37:39
From:	Woodengaffrig@wmconnect.com
I just purchased an EXT 105 and I have noticed a couple of stop or maybe
index points on the vertical movement. When moving through these points
the motor strains somewhat. I checked today at the discovery store at
the floor models and they were all smooth with no stop points. They also
have no more inventory of that scope so in order to exchange it I will
have to drive 100 miles round trip to another store. I just wonder if it
is normal for this or if the scope is defective before I make the
exchange. Thank you.
Keith
Mike here: I haven't heard of this before. You might try just moving the tube up and down through its full motion to see if that cures the problem.

And:

Thank you for your quick response. I have tried moving it over and over
but it hasn't helped. When I removed the knob on the side I could see
the shaft moving in and out through the bearing. I'm going to take it
back to Discovery store and exchange it for a new one today. It will be
a few hours of driving and mall shopping but that's better than a few
weeks of shipping to meade. Thanks again. Keith

Subject:	ETX-105 no longer carried by Discovery Stores? 
Sent:	Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:27:03
From:	sheffiel@cisco.com (Edwin Sheffield)
Any danger of Meade discontinung the scope? Bought my 105 from the
Discovery 3 weeks ago!

ed s
Mike here: Only Meade knows.
Subject:	ETX-105 no longer carried by Discovery Stores?
Sent:	Saturday, June 15, 2002 21:29:56
From:	gjbivin@mindspring.com (Gary J. Bivin)
I was told by the manager at the Discovery Store (Chandler, AZ) that
they no longer sell the ETX-105.  They have trimmed their selection down
to the four "most popular" scopes: the ETX-70, -90, -125, and a DS model
(I don't recall which one she mentioned).

Gary J. Bivin
Mike here: That's unfortunate. The ETX-105EC is a nice compromise in size/aperture between the -90 and -125.
Subject:	ETX-105 Dew Shield Question
Sent:	Thursday, June 13, 2002 13:48:47
From:	dsimonich@mc.com (Simonich, Dave)
Has anyone purchased an Orion flexishield dewcap for their ETX-105? 
They do have a listing for the 90 but not the 105 or 125, and their Tech
support person said he couldn't help.  I was wondering which of their
models would fit best.
Thanks

Subject:	re: Newbie
Sent:	Tuesday, June 11, 2002 22:48:20
From:	rseymour@wolfenet.com (Richard Seymour)
To:	valencia@primomic.com
It sounds like you may have an intermittent contact in a cable,
or something shifting inside the Autostar when you press [mode].

The -slightest- interruption in power can cause the Autostar to
reboot.  

Not clear from your description is if -every- press on the Mode
key reboots it, or only when you are "backing out" of Identify.

I'll see if i can reproduce your symptoms with my Autostar 
tomorrow (but i doubt it... i think it's your cables or a flexing
circuit card in the Autostar).  Try -gentler- presses of [mode].

What firmware version are you running? (if at power up it says
25E or 24E, that's enough... however the full identifier is under
Setup > Statistics (scroll up).

At worst, a reload of the firmware (or a phone call to Meade for
a replacement Autostar... they'll send one, you send yours back
in their box after it arrives.) may cure it.

Tug on the cable ends, and make sure they're seated -firmly-.

good luck
---dick
And:
John Valencia wrote:
> And "thank you".  As in the subject line, we are "new" at this and had it
> out of the box for the first time this past weekend.  I see what you're
> saying by it maybe an interruption in the power, because that's exactly how
> it acted.  Just like I had turned it off and was starting from zero.  Since
> it's out at our weekend home, I'm not near it now, but will try your
> suggestions this coming weekend.  I'm not sure on the firmware, and will
> check that too.
> 
> And if I may ask you something more... When staring up the first time with
> the initial set up, it asks for the model.  I have the ETX105 and I remember
> seeing only a choice of an ETX90 or an ETX125.  I chose the 125.  Will this
> make any differences?
> 
> Thank you again!
> 
> John Marc

it's out at our weekend home,
(they are very nice in-city scopes, too...)

When staring up the first time with the initial set up, it asks for
the model.  I have the ETX105 and I remember seeing only a choice of
an ETX90 or an ETX125.  I chose the 125.

The 125 was the correct model to choose in that circumstance.

The lack of the 105 as a model indicates a slightly obsolete firmware
load in the Autostar. (pre version 23Eb, i think)(current is 25Ea)
Although upgrading isn't -critical-, doing so would provide better
comet and planetary GoTo's in the long run.
Eyepiece Calculations will be using the wrong Focal Length, but you
can correct that under Setup Telescope Focal Length, if you wish.
But that's entirely optional.

have fun
--dick

Subject:	RE: Newbie!
Sent:	Monday, June 10, 2002 6:57:11
From:	valencia@primomic.com (John Valencia)
Thank you very much.  Well, I did what you said and read and re-read the
manual, and since I got the Autostar with it, I added that manual to my
reading list!  We did the indoor thing rather easily because it rained
most of Saturday.  But by the time night fell, the skies had cleared and
we got a chance to try it out.  I can certainly see where we'll need
lots of time to understand all the "tricks" and really get comfortable
with it.  But the little time we have spent with it, we can already tell
it will bring hours and hours of fun and enjoyment.  And we're even
learning something!!!

I am sure as we get more familiar with the ETX and gain experience,
there'll be questions come up and trust you'll bear with us in asking
questions. I'll try not to be too bothersome... anyway, there was a
little "glitch" that we encountered when using the "identify" function
with the Autostar. After the sequence was completed and we succeeded, we
hit the "mode" function to go back and it was like we "rebooted" it.  It
went back to square one just as though we had powered off.  We thought
we had just goofed up and went through the start up again, but it
happened again.  Any thoughts?

I know it's just our first outing and we have a lot to learn, but we're
really looking forward in more and more times with it.  We'll heed your
directions and carry on!

Thank you again...

John Marc
Dallas
Mike here: Sounds like things worked out pretty good. Super! As to the MODE key, it sounds like maybe you held it down too long or did some multiple presses. And don't worry about asking questions. I may point you at a page that possibly has the answer(s) or post your message for others to respond to.
Subject:	Newbie!
Sent:	Wednesday, June 5, 2002 13:34:34
From:	valencia@primomic.com (John Valencia)
Boy, am I new at this!  For my 50th birthday, my family took me up on a
suggestion I made, that a telescope would be a nice gift...  well, I
received a ETX-105.  Did they do good???

We live in North Dallas and have a new lake house about 75 miles south
east of here, out at Cedar Creek.  So that's how I came up with the idea
of a telescope.  The nights out there are wonderful and it was just a
wild idea, and they took me up on it.  It's still in the box and I hope
to get into this coming weekend.  But before I opened it, I thought I'd
jump online, see what I could find out about the subject and that's how
I ran across your site.  This is going to be a big help, I can already
tell, so "Thank You".

So, before I open up all the cardboard boxes, are there a couple 2 or 3
or 4 or etc., etc., etc. things I should be aware of, so I don't do an
ah @#$! with it???  I'm usually pretty careful with my new "toys", cars,
boats and things, but this is certainly a delicate instrument and I'm
really looking forward to many nights of fun with it, and want to enjoy
it with my family, and certainly not render it inoperable before I
really get started. Remember, I am totally new at astronomy and such. 
By education I have a BS in Zoology, but we didn't look "up" too much! 
My eyes were though many times in a microscope, stereoscope or looking
at a screen from a SEM. Anyway... any suggestions for me???

I look forward in learning more and being a part of your "stellar
community"

Thanking you in advance.  You take care and,

My Very Best Regards,

John


John Marc
Dallas
Mike here: Welcome to the ETX community! You can get many years of enjoyment from your ETX. And your family did super with ETX-105EC! As to what you should to start, that is simple. Read the manual before you unpack things. Then read it again. Then remove the telescope and the components and set it up using the manual instructions. Get to know your telescope indoors before going outside in the dark. If it is cloudy, super! Use the time to learn to use your telescope, play with the controls, play with setting it up just like you would in the dark. Don't worry about accessories quite yet; once you know just how you want to use the telescope then you'll have a better idea of which add-ons you might want. Don't try to learn everything in a short time; it takes months and years to gain experience!

And:

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!  These are great tips and I will do.  I'll keep
watching your site too and pick up what I can.  Let the "reading"
begin!!!

Take care and again, THANKS!

John

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